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jarjar
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Nov 12 2006, 08:54 AM
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The attitude of supporter of this site begs belief. We are 3rd in the league but still people moan, moan & moan, wonder why I left Birmingham to live somewhere else.
SO NEGATIVE about everything.
If we were 3rd from the bottom then it would be fair to moan. The Birmingham City Football Clubs managers position is worse than the thank less National teams job
Stop moaning and get behind the team & the manager
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bluenose54
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Nov 12 2006, 09:11 AM
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Will NEVER NEVER get behind the manager (Bruce) as long as he is at Blues ... BCFC yes get behind the club ... BUT the way we are playing etc now thats down to the manager. Till Bruce leaves this matter will NOT go away. Also why if we are doing well (yes 2/3 in league) are we not have 'full house', why not 20000 S/T, could it be people are p***ed of with the manager & the type of football Blues are playing? Bruce Out now
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Willie
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Nov 12 2006, 09:21 AM
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Will NEVER NEVER get behind the manager (Bruce) as long as he is at Blues ... BCFC yes get behind the club ... BUT the way we are playing etc now thats down to the manager. Till Bruce leaves this matter will NOT go away. Also why if we are doing well (yes 2/3 in league) are we not have 'full house', why not 20000 S/T, could it be people are p***ed of with the manager & the type of football Blues are playing? Bruce Out now
So if never go how do you know how they play. or do you watch 30 secs on the tv and make judgemnet from that.
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Nov 12 2006, 09:27 AM
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- bluenose54
- Nov 12 2006, 09:11 AM
Will NEVER NEVER get behind the manager (Bruce) as long as he is at Blues ... BCFC yes get behind the club ... BUT the way we are playing etc now thats down to the manager. Till Bruce leaves this matter will NOT go away. Also why if we are doing well (yes 2/3 in league) are we not have 'full house', why not 20000 S/T, could it be people are p***ed of with the manager & the type of football Blues are playing? Bruce Out now
Yet again another SB out cheerleader, when are you guys ever going to be happy? We are joint 2nd in the league and you are still moaning and all because we are winning matches. Who do you suggest we get as new manager, let me guess AC. Change the record mate it's getting a bit boring :banghead: .
K R O !
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Tilton16
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Nov 12 2006, 09:34 AM
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Will NEVER NEVER get behind the manager (Bruce) as long as he is at Blues ... BCFC yes get behind the club ... BUT the way we are playing etc now thats down to the manager. Till Bruce leaves this matter will NOT go away. Also why if we are doing well (yes 2/3 in league) are we not have 'full house', why not 20000 S/T, could it be people are p***ed of with the manager & the type of football Blues are playing? Bruce Out now
So if never go how do you know how they play. or do you watch 30 secs on the tv and make judgemnet from that.
He'll be watching The Championship at 10:00am 1TV 1, then moaning about The Blues at 11:00am because we won a match 2-0 and moved up the table to joint second. :P
K R O !
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Nov 12 2006, 09:41 AM
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Possible I will & so will thousands more BUT I will NOT go till Bruce has gone, the 'entaintment factor' at Blues has gone while SB is at the club (look at Liverpool game.. boring). Also look at TV reports, papers etc they are ALL saying we are playing 'negative ' football, so why sould I (& others) have to go & watch Blues if we don't want to ... we are still 'Blues supporters' for life. I don't tell you to go its up to you so don't tell me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :copno:
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Tilton16
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Nov 12 2006, 09:55 AM
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Possible I will & so will thousands more BUT I will NOT go till Bruce has gone, the 'entaintment factor' at Blues has gone while SB is at the club (look at Liverpool game.. boring). Also look at TV reports, papers etc they are ALL saying we are playing 'negative ' football, so why sould I (& others) have to go & watch Blues if we don't want to ... we are still 'Blues supporters' for life. I don't tell you to go its up to you so don't tell me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :copno:
bluenose54, I go to St Andrew's to support the Blues not SB and as you say being a Bluenose is for life, so please don't make timid excuses for not going down because of SB. I know you'll be back when SB gets us promoted. Just keep the faith and get yourself down there this season.
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Nov 12 2006, 10:03 AM
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why sould I (& others) have to go & watch Blues if we don't want to ... we are still 'Blues supporters' for life.
It may be a metter of sematics, but I'm afraid I have to disagree there. I will agree that you are a 'fan', but a 'supporter' is one who supports.
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Wisel
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Nov 12 2006, 10:19 AM
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Doesn't that statement amount to a bigotted position on SB? You said no matter what he does, yes? So you are against the man no matter what success he brings to this club.
I am sorry to have to say this, but you have just described the irratyional attitude problem that blights this football club.
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Nov 12 2006, 10:42 AM
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Possible I will & so will thousands more BUT I will NOT go till Bruce has gone, the 'entaintment factor' at Blues has gone while SB is at the club (look at Liverpool game.. boring). Also look at TV reports, papers etc they are ALL saying we are playing 'negative ' football, so why sould I (& others) have to go & watch Blues if we don't want to ... we are still 'Blues supporters' for life. I don't tell you to go its up to you so don't tell me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :copno:
You don't win derbies and football matches by playing negative football.You don't win five in a row by playing negative football. Did you got to Sheff Utd for example? Boring? How did we play when we finished 10th - our best position in 31 years - in 2003-04? Hardly all out attack. Credit Bruce for making changes and sorting us out defensively. If you keep on conceding goals you are never going to win. Pretty football gets you nowhere unless you are Man Utd, Arsenal. Ask Albion fans whether they would want to be doing what we are ie winning I'm all for constructive, interesting debate. Sadly we don't get it much on here.
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Nov 12 2006, 11:02 AM
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i think that most fans are worried about next season i was untill i realised that it not worth bothing about anymore.
there has been little change in the way we play for the last 2years and the only reason we are getting results is because of the poor oposition in this league.
this way of playing will not work in the prem so what is the point any more?
dont forget everyone has the right to voice an opinion.
me well i dont care anymore if SB stays or goes and have lost that enthusiasum for football in general not just blues.
now wheres me arm chair. :D
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Nov 12 2006, 11:37 AM
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Will NEVER NEVER get behind the manager (Bruce) as long as he is at Blues ... BCFC yes get behind the club ... BUT the way we are playing etc now thats down to the manager. Till Bruce leaves this matter will NOT go away. Also why if we are doing well (yes 2/3 in league) are we not have 'full house', why not 20000 S/T, could it be people are p***ed of with the manager & the type of football Blues are playing? Bruce Out now
We dont get full houses because a) the pricing policy b) we dont have the fans.
18-20000 is the level of support we achieved during our last campaign in this division. Take away the larger premier league away following and our own 'premier only fans' and this is what you are left with.
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this way of playing will not work in the prem so what is the point any more?
Unbelievable!! a few weeks ago it was being said on here that bruce had lost the plot trying to play passing football in this division. He changes the style to a more aggresive up 'em and at 'em and still we get quotes like that above!! :banghead:
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Nov 12 2006, 11:43 AM
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Will NEVER NEVER get behind the manager (Bruce) as long as he is at Blues ... BCFC yes get behind the club ... BUT the way we are playing etc now thats down to the manager. Till Bruce leaves this matter will NOT go away. Also why if we are doing well (yes 2/3 in league) are we not have 'full house', why not 20000 S/T, could it be people are p***ed of with the manager & the type of football Blues are playing? Bruce Out now
We dont get full houses because a) the pricing policy b) we dont have the fans. 18-20000 is the level of support we achieved during our last campaign in this division. Take away the larger premier league away following and our own 'premier only fans' and this is what you are left with. - Quote:
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this way of playing will not work in the prem so what is the point any more?
Unbelievable!! a few weeks ago it was being said on here that bruce had lost the plot trying to play passing football in this division. He changes the style to a more aggresive up 'em and at 'em and still we get quotes like that above!! :banghead:
that is not the consensus of media reports or from people at the game.
it wont work giving the oposition 5/6 good chances to score in the prem because 15/16 teams are better quality than the majority in the championship.
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Nov 12 2006, 11:56 AM
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- Nov 12 2006, 08:54 AM
The attitude of supporter of this site begs belief. We are 3rd in the league but still people moan, moan & moan, wonder why I left Birmingham to live somewhere else.
SO NEGATIVE about everything.
If we were 3rd from the bottom then it would be fair to moan. The Birmingham City Football Clubs managers position is worse than the thank less National teams job
Stop moaning and get behind the team & the manager
Why does the attitude beggar belief? We may be third in this division but if the club had been run properly over the last 18 months we would be at least 4 places higher.
The reason quite a few have a negative attitude is because when we were third from the bottom nothing was done and supporters were ignored.
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Nov 12 2006, 12:00 PM
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The attitude of supporter of this site begs belief. We are 3rd in the league but still people moan, moan & moan, wonder why I left Birmingham to live somewhere else.
SO NEGATIVE about everything.
If we were 3rd from the bottom then it would be fair to moan. The Birmingham City Football Clubs managers position is worse than the thank less National teams job
Stop moaning and get behind the team & the manager
Why does the attitude beggar belief? We may be third in this division but if the club had been run properly over the last 18 months we would be at least 4 places higher. The reason quite a few have a negative attitude is because when we were third from the bottom nothing was done and supporters were ignored.
Tevets have you ever made a mistake have you ever misjudged something??
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Nov 12 2006, 01:12 PM
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get behind the team, if you dont like something, dont comment on it, it quite frankly bores me all of this Bruce Out and everything, especially after he has turned all of this around!!
If you think we have problems, winning 5-6 straight league games and up to joint 2nd, just 3 points off Cardiff in 1st, whereas our neighbours at the Hawthornes have lost 4 of their last 5 and drew one with there new manager so getting a new man in, doesnt exactly help!!
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Nov 12 2006, 01:37 PM
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Ok don't come along to support the team. We dont need you.
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Nov 12 2006, 02:06 PM
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- Nov 12 2006, 08:54 AM
The attitude of supporter of this site begs belief. We are 3rd in the league but still people moan, moan & moan, wonder why I left Birmingham to live somewhere else.
SO NEGATIVE about everything.
If we were 3rd from the bottom then it would be fair to moan. The Birmingham City Football Clubs managers position is worse than the thank less National teams job
Stop moaning and get behind the team & the manager
Why does the attitude beggar belief? We may be third in this division but if the club had been run properly over the last 18 months we would be at least 4 places higher. The reason quite a few have a negative attitude is because when we were third from the bottom nothing was done and supporters were ignored.
Tevets have you ever made a mistake have you ever misjudged something??
Obviously, many times, hasn’t everyone?
On the other hand I do not hide behind excuses or blame other people. I certainly don’t then lay blame on the paying customer. I am also willing to take responsibility for my actions.
There is also a degree to mistakes, some are easier to forgive than others. I would put relegation, slashing the turnover of the football club and disenfranchising a large percentage of your customer base down as a serious one. One that a few wins and third place, in a lower division to where we should be, is not quite enough to gain forgiveness, yet.
I have no problem in the sentiment shown in the original post and am happy(ish) to tolerate Bruce but if jarjar really thinks the negativity surrounding the club begs belief he is being somewhat naive.
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Nov 12 2006, 02:35 PM
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- Nov 12 2006, 08:54 AM
The attitude of supporter of this site begs belief. We are 3rd in the league but still people moan, moan & moan, wonder why I left Birmingham to live somewhere else.
SO NEGATIVE about everything.
If we were 3rd from the bottom then it would be fair to moan. The Birmingham City Football Clubs managers position is worse than the thank less National teams job
Stop moaning and get behind the team & the manager
Why does the attitude beggar belief? We may be third in this division but if the club had been run properly over the last 18 months we would be at least 4 places higher. The reason quite a few have a negative attitude is because when we were third from the bottom nothing was done and supporters were ignored.
Tevets have you ever made a mistake have you ever misjudged something??
Obviously, many times, hasn’t everyone? On the other hand I do not hide behind excuses or blame other people. I certainly don’t then lay blame on the paying customer. I am also willing to take responsibility for my actions. There is also a degree to mistakes, some are easier to forgive than others. I would put relegation, slashing the turnover of the football club and disenfranchising a large percentage of your customer base down as a serious one. One that a few wins and third place, in a lower division to where we should be, is not quite enough to gain forgiveness, yet. I have no problem in the sentiment shown in the original post and am happy(ish) to tolerate Bruce but if jarjar really thinks the negativity surrounding the club begs belief he is being somewhat naive.
So i presume you learnt from your mistakes.
But what if you were reminded of your msistaks everyday, what if you were the person being held responsible for mistakes made by others.
I have said before that the Board the Manager and players past and present should be ashamed of the way they let this club slide last season.
But that was last season. We have now a side packed with talent and which is very young and learning. yet despite that we are joint 2nd in the lge without exactly playing well.
Take a look at WBA, they did exactly what you want DS to do and change the manager , yet since they have they have taken how many points ?? they play with what has been decribed by people far more qualified than me with the best squad in the lge. yet they are struggling at the moment ?
I think jar jar is entitled to his / her opinion and if you have read some of the negativity on this board which surely you must have you may understand how that opinion was formed. there are those that have nothing at all to say about Blues that has one ounce of positivetivity in it, their main aim is to get their own way nothing more nothing less.
But tell me is what they say any worse than what Bruce and Sullivan have said. after all when you dare question these people they state thay are entitled to their opinion. But it seems no one else is least of all the people they attack at every opportunity.
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Nov 12 2006, 09:05 PM
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- Nov 12 2006, 09:11 AM
Will NEVER NEVER get behind the manager (Bruce) as long as he is at Blues ... BCFC yes get behind the club ... BUT the way we are playing etc now thats down to the manager. Till Bruce leaves this matter will NOT go away. Also why if we are doing well (yes 2/3 in league) are we not have 'full house', why not 20000 S/T, could it be people are p***ed of with the manager & the type of football Blues are playing? Bruce Out now
We dont get full houses because a) the pricing policy b) we dont have the fans. 18-20000 is the level of support we achieved during our last campaign in this division. Take away the larger premier league away following and our own 'premier only fans' and this is what you are left with. - Quote:
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this way of playing will not work in the prem so what is the point any more?
Unbelievable!! a few weeks ago it was being said on here that bruce had lost the plot trying to play passing football in this division. He changes the style to a more aggresive up 'em and at 'em and still we get quotes like that above!! :banghead:
that is not the consensus of media reports or from people at the game. it wont work giving the oposition 5/6 good chances to score in the prem because 15/16 teams are better quality than the majority in the championship.
We dont give the opposition 5/6 chances to score.... they CREATE them.
Teams WILL create chances you know, no matter what league you are playing in.
There'll be joys and sorrows too.... some should practice what we preach
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Nov 12 2006, 09:44 PM
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- Nov 12 2006, 08:54 AM
The attitude of supporter of this site begs belief. We are 3rd in the league but still people moan, moan & moan, wonder why I left Birmingham to live somewhere else.
SO NEGATIVE about everything.
If we were 3rd from the bottom then it would be fair to moan. The Birmingham City Football Clubs managers position is worse than the thank less National teams job
Stop moaning and get behind the team & the manager
PEOPLE ON HERE AGAINST BRUCE HAVE AN AGENDA AND ITS NOT THE SAME AS OURS
KRO
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Nov 12 2006, 11:20 PM
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- jarjar
- Nov 12 2006, 08:54 AM
The attitude of supporter of this site begs belief. We are 3rd in the league but still people moan, moan & moan, wonder why I left Birmingham to live somewhere else.
SO NEGATIVE about everything.
If we were 3rd from the bottom then it would be fair to moan. The Birmingham City Football Clubs managers position is worse than the thank less National teams job
Stop moaning and get behind the team & the manager
Why does the attitude beggar belief? We may be third in this division but if the club had been run properly over the last 18 months we would be at least 4 places higher. The reason quite a few have a negative attitude is because when we were third from the bottom nothing was done and supporters were ignored.
Tevets have you ever made a mistake have you ever misjudged something??
Obviously, many times, hasn’t everyone? On the other hand I do not hide behind excuses or blame other people. I certainly don’t then lay blame on the paying customer. I am also willing to take responsibility for my actions. There is also a degree to mistakes, some are easier to forgive than others. I would put relegation, slashing the turnover of the football club and disenfranchising a large percentage of your customer base down as a serious one. One that a few wins and third place, in a lower division to where we should be, is not quite enough to gain forgiveness, yet. I have no problem in the sentiment shown in the original post and am happy(ish) to tolerate Bruce but if jarjar really thinks the negativity surrounding the club begs belief he is being somewhat naive.
So i presume you learnt from your mistakes. But what if you were reminded of your msistaks everyday, what if you were the person being held responsible for mistakes made by others. I have said before that the Board the Manager and players past and present should be ashamed of the way they let this club slide last season. But that was last season. We have now a side packed with talent and which is very young and learning. yet despite that we are joint 2nd in the lge without exactly playing well. Take a look at WBA, they did exactly what you want DS to do and change the manager , yet since they have they have taken how many points ?? they play with what has been decribed by people far more qualified than me with the best squad in the lge. yet they are struggling at the moment ? I think jar jar is entitled to his / her opinion and if you have read some of the negativity on this board which surely you must have you may understand how that opinion was formed. there are those that have nothing at all to say about Blues that has one ounce of positivetivity in it, their main aim is to get their own way nothing more nothing less. But tell me is what they say any worse than what Bruce and Sullivan have said. after all when you dare question these people they state thay are entitled to their opinion. But it seems no one else is least of all the people they attack at every opportunity.
The way to move on from your mistakes, in my view, is to come clean, accept your role and responsibility for the failure and then try to put right the mistakes and move forward. To my mind the problem with the club at the moment is the above has not been fully done. Also if you are referring to Bruce and mistakes by others anyone who accepts a senior role has to be accountable for those that work beneath them. You also have to decide how long you can let someone keep making the same mistakes without apparently learning from them.
I have absolutely no problem with the board or Bruce coming out and giving their view points but to be taken seriously they have got to tell the truth and not play the blame game, especially when it is their very supporters who seem now to be being blamed. I do seriously question the stance they have taken but that is for another thread.
I also note you are citing Albion for what can happen when a new manager comes in, why not V illa? I accept a new manager is a risk but is that such a bad thing? After all loyalty has not done us much good in the last 18 months, again though this is for another thread and has possibly been done to death, for now.
As I said in my previous post jarjar is entitled to his/her opinion, as is everyone else regardless of their view. My only real point is you cannot just expect everyone to suddenly forgive and forget the last 18 months after only a few weeks of decent results. What is happening to the club does not beg belief, in fact it is to be expected and was easily predicted given the way the club has been run in recent times.
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Nov 12 2006, 11:23 PM
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The attitude of supporter of this site begs belief. We are 3rd in the league but still people moan, moan & moan, wonder why I left Birmingham to live somewhere else.
SO NEGATIVE about everything.
If we were 3rd from the bottom then it would be fair to moan. The Birmingham City Football Clubs managers position is worse than the thank less National teams job
Stop moaning and get behind the team & the manager
PEOPLE ON HERE AGAINST BRUCE HAVE AN AGENDA AND ITS NOT THE SAME AS OURS KRO
By the very fact people have the interest and commitment to post on sites such as this shows we all want exactly the same thing, success for Birmingham City Football Club.
The only difference of opinion is how that is best achieved.
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Nov 13 2006, 06:33 AM
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The attitude of supporter of this site begs belief. We are 3rd in the league but still people moan, moan & moan, wonder why I left Birmingham to live somewhere else.
SO NEGATIVE about everything.
If we were 3rd from the bottom then it would be fair to moan. The Birmingham City Football Clubs managers position is worse than the thank less National teams job
Stop moaning and get behind the team & the manager
Why does the attitude beggar belief? We may be third in this division but if the club had been run properly over the last 18 months we would be at least 4 places higher. The reason quite a few have a negative attitude is because when we were third from the bottom nothing was done and supporters were ignored.
Tevets have you ever made a mistake have you ever misjudged something??
Obviously, many times, hasn’t everyone? On the other hand I do not hide behind excuses or blame other people. I certainly don’t then lay blame on the paying customer. I am also willing to take responsibility for my actions. There is also a degree to mistakes, some are easier to forgive than others. I would put relegation, slashing the turnover of the football club and disenfranchising a large percentage of your customer base down as a serious one. One that a few wins and third place, in a lower division to where we should be, is not quite enough to gain forgiveness, yet. I have no problem in the sentiment shown in the original post and am happy(ish) to tolerate Bruce but if jarjar really thinks the negativity surrounding the club begs belief he is being somewhat naive.
So i presume you learnt from your mistakes. But what if you were reminded of your msistaks everyday, what if you were the person being held responsible for mistakes made by others. I have said before that the Board the Manager and players past and present should be ashamed of the way they let this club slide last season. But that was last season. We have now a side packed with talent and which is very young and learning. yet despite that we are joint 2nd in the lge without exactly playing well. Take a look at WBA, they did exactly what you want DS to do and change the manager , yet since they have they have taken how many points ?? they play with what has been decribed by people far more qualified than me with the best squad in the lge. yet they are struggling at the moment ? I think jar jar is entitled to his / her opinion and if you have read some of the negativity on this board which surely you must have you may understand how that opinion was formed. there are those that have nothing at all to say about Blues that has one ounce of positivetivity in it, their main aim is to get their own way nothing more nothing less. But tell me is what they say any worse than what Bruce and Sullivan have said. after all when you dare question these people they state thay are entitled to their opinion. But it seems no one else is least of all the people they attack at every opportunity.
The way to move on from your mistakes, in my view, is to come clean, accept your role and responsibility for the failure and then try to put right the mistakes and move forward. To my mind the problem with the club at the moment is the above has not been fully done. Also if you are referring to Bruce and mistakes by others anyone who accepts a senior role has to be accountable for those that work beneath them. You also have to decide how long you can let someone keep making the same mistakes without apparently learning from them. I have absolutely no problem with the board or Bruce coming out and giving their view points but to be taken seriously they have got to tell the truth and not play the blame game, especially when it is their very supporters who seem now to be being blamed. I do seriously question the stance they have taken but that is for another thread. I also note you are citing Albion for what can happen when a new manager comes in, why not V illa? I accept a new manager is a risk but is that such a bad thing? After all loyalty has not done us much good in the last 18 months, again though this is for another thread and has possibly been done to death, for now. As I said in my previous post jarjar is entitled to his/her opinion, as is everyone else regardless of their view. My only real point is you cannot just expect everyone to suddenly forgive and forget the last 18 months after only a few weeks of decent results. What is happening to the club does not beg belief, in fact it is to be expected and was easily predicted given the way the club has been run in recent times.
I used WBA as an example as thye are on our level and their results and opponents are the same. Unlike those from the other side of the City.
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Nov 13 2006, 08:35 AM
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The attitude of supporter of this site begs belief. We are 3rd in the league but still people moan, moan & moan, wonder why I left Birmingham to live somewhere else.
SO NEGATIVE about everything.
If we were 3rd from the bottom then it would be fair to moan. The Birmingham City Football Clubs managers position is worse than the thank less National teams job
Stop moaning and get behind the team & the manager
Why does the attitude beggar belief? We may be third in this division but if the club had been run properly over the last 18 months we would be at least 4 places higher. The reason quite a few have a negative attitude is because when we were third from the bottom nothing was done and supporters were ignored.
Tevets have you ever made a mistake have you ever misjudged something??
Obviously, many times, hasn’t everyone? On the other hand I do not hide behind excuses or blame other people. I certainly don’t then lay blame on the paying customer. I am also willing to take responsibility for my actions. There is also a degree to mistakes, some are easier to forgive than others. I would put relegation, slashing the turnover of the football club and disenfranchising a large percentage of your customer base down as a serious one. One that a few wins and third place, in a lower division to where we should be, is not quite enough to gain forgiveness, yet. I have no problem in the sentiment shown in the original post and am happy(ish) to tolerate Bruce but if jarjar really thinks the negativity surrounding the club begs belief he is being somewhat naive.
So i presume you learnt from your mistakes. But what if you were reminded of your msistaks everyday, what if you were the person being held responsible for mistakes made by others. I have said before that the Board the Manager and players past and present should be ashamed of the way they let this club slide last season. But that was last season. We have now a side packed with talent and which is very young and learning. yet despite that we are joint 2nd in the lge without exactly playing well. Take a look at WBA, they did exactly what you want DS to do and change the manager , yet since they have they have taken how many points ?? they play with what has been decribed by people far more qualified than me with the best squad in the lge. yet they are struggling at the moment ? I think jar jar is entitled to his / her opinion and if you have read some of the negativity on this board which surely you must have you may understand how that opinion was formed. there are those that have nothing at all to say about Blues that has one ounce of positivetivity in it, their main aim is to get their own way nothing more nothing less. But tell me is what they say any worse than what Bruce and Sullivan have said. after all when you dare question these people they state thay are entitled to their opinion. But it seems no one else is least of all the people they attack at every opportunity.
The way to move on from your mistakes, in my view, is to come clean, accept your role and responsibility for the failure and then try to put right the mistakes and move forward. To my mind the problem with the club at the moment is the above has not been fully done. Also if you are referring to Bruce and mistakes by others anyone who accepts a senior role has to be accountable for those that work beneath them. You also have to decide how long you can let someone keep making the same mistakes without apparently learning from them. I have absolutely no problem with the board or Bruce coming out and giving their view points but to be taken seriously they have got to tell the truth and not play the blame game, especially when it is their very supporters who seem now to be being blamed. I do seriously question the stance they have taken but that is for another thread. I also note you are citing Albion for what can happen when a new manager comes in, why not V illa? I accept a new manager is a risk but is that such a bad thing? After all loyalty has not done us much good in the last 18 months, again though this is for another thread and has possibly been done to death, for now. As I said in my previous post jarjar is entitled to his/her opinion, as is everyone else regardless of their view. My only real point is you cannot just expect everyone to suddenly forgive and forget the last 18 months after only a few weeks of decent results. What is happening to the club does not beg belief, in fact it is to be expected and was easily predicted given the way the club has been run in recent times.
I used WBA as an example as thye are on our level and their results and opponents are the same. Unlike those from the other side of the City.
History and probably not worth starting another ‘debate’ over but surely though if we had changed the manager 12 months ago, whilst in the prem, we might still be there.
If you want a closer analogy Sunderland, Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday Norwich and even Albion before Mowbray, and given the squad even he will probably start to get results again soon, have all improved with a change of manager.
Please don’t get me wrong, I am not currently advocating changing our manager. I am merely saying change is not always a bad thing and, as a club, we seem to be rather scared of change.
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